i just want a nice clean polite debate...AGAIN. IF THIS TOPIC GETS YOU UP IN A FRINZZY..PLEASE DONT ANSWER.
i want to be the start of proving the Bible wrong. in revolations and other books, it clearly states that the evil...aka athiest and saitan woshipers will be dominatiing over the Christains. they will have killed most of us and holding captive the ones that havnt yet been murdered. we will have changes all currency to one..(owrking on that) leading country will have opp race leader (ombama) and bar code tatoos to replace money. (working on that) and the churches will split. ELCA is starting to on smae gender relationships preeching to us.
but i have seen something that i was expecting, the Chinese are no longer majority Budist or what ever they follow, 75% Christian and raising. i was wondering if i got enough people in together, we could prove Revolations wrong, the Chrisians would be dominating, and be the strong, and stop all of this crap that happening in the world.
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PLEASE DONT GET ME WRONG, I LOVE GOD AND I FOLLOW THE BIBLE AS BEST AS I CAN. IM A STRONG CHRISTAIN AND WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR GOD.
Are you sure, you read that from Revelation Book, as you said all that crap. Did you really read and understand the revelation book from the Bible? Can you cite me 1 scripture from that book that clearly states that evil will dominate the Christians. Maybe you are referring to other book but NOT THE BIBLE!!<br />
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Are you organizing an anti-christ movement, do you really love God, Do you know the name of your God? Do you really believe in the Bible. <br />
I am sorry if i sound rude, coz as young as you are and one claiming to love God or maybe Christian will oppose one of HIS book. I am sad, I hope your parent will help you to find the truth, the true God and the one he sent forth Jesus Christ.<br />
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One thing for sure Revelation is a "hope" book for those true Christians. This book shows the end of this present system of things and the paradise that was mentioned in Isaias, the new heavens and the new earth where righteous people will reside for ever and ever..It will open the new world with Jesus Christ ruling the Kingdom of God for 1000 years.<br />
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The last book of the Holy Bible discloses an EIGHTH WORLD POWER. Intriguingly, Revelation 17:9-11 informs us of what the apostle John was told in his vision of a wild beast, scarlet in color, having seven heads and ten horns, and being ridden by the religious harlot, “Babylon the Great.” goes off into DESTRUCTION.
"The fall of Babylon the Great will signal the start or great tribulation and then the end will come "THE ARMAGEDDON" and new world like in noah's day. Are you not happy that Jehovah God is so great that HE is giving a new world to us .
Source www.watchtower.org.com
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Isaiah 2:2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
This will prove number of people who will worship the true God will increase.
yes i think you are right. that the loosening of morals,, little by little over time will become the norm. look at just 50 years ago and look how we have accepted the loosening of morals today.
i hate to bust your bubble but have you heard that the silent majority
always looses over the loudest minority. just in the news last week they were talking about 8 different major country's wanting to shift away from the dollar as the worlds money standard. and the Chinese,, when the great deceiver arrives he will do the dirty deed with honey and everyone will flock to his tune because he will tell them all what they want to hear
everyone will follow,, be it your Cristian's, Buddhists or Muslims..
I couldn't never say that the "Bible" (good book) is wrong..In my opinion, its those who teaches and interperates the bible or writes books for their own beliefs that followers would follow..
I am afraid your statistics are way off track. Forget them all and look at the Muslim numbers. It is the fastest growing religion and it's growth accelerates daily.
I am in the side of the truth.
Christianity is “the way of the truth” (2Pe 2:2), and those who assist others in furthering the interests of Christianity become “fellow workers in the truth.” (3Jo 8) The entire body of Christian teachings, which later became part of the written Word of God, is “the truth” or “the truth of the good news.” Adherence to this truth, ‘walking’ in it, is essential if an individual is to gain salvation.
God’s Word Is Truth. God’s Word presents things as they really are, revealing purposes, and commands, as well as the true state of affairs among mankind.
The whole world is under satan power so no wonder mankind is suffering but we must be for God s side as John 17:16 says We have no part of the world.
Your mention the mark of the wild beast:
(And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.”—Revelation 13:16-18.
What does it mean to be marked on the forehead or in the right hand with the name of the wild beast? When God gave Israel the Law, he told them: “You must apply these words of mine to your heart and your soul and bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they must serve as a frontlet band between your eyes.” (Deuteronomy 11:18
We obey gods laws and we will be persecute as Jesus was also for being obediente.
In imitation, Satan uses the demonic mark of the wild beast.
“False religion will be destroy as you read in Rev 18:1,2
when the time comes no one will have the choice to not wear the mark. unless you wish to starve because that will be the way you pay for things. can you wear the mark and still walk in the light of god ?
Mabelann, I think this largely depends on what is being referred to as "Christians". If we base it on the number of people claiming to be Christians, what you say of Christians increasing in number may be true. However, a lot of people may claim to be Christians but, sad to say, only very few practice being so.
This is my opinion: Being baptized, going to church, reading the Bible & claiming to believe in Jesus Christ do not make one a Christian IF he/she continuously does other things which are not pleasing to the Lord. On the other hand, if one lives a life of service, spreading love & joy to people around him, &, in his own little way, contributes in making this world a better place -- this, I believe, is pleasing to the Lord, & this, I believe can be aptly called a Christian, REGARDLESS of what his religious beliefs may be.
So, going back to your question, this, I guess, is probably what it meant by Christians being outnumbered & destroyed -- man will allow evil & sinful ways to take over, putting aside & eventually ignoring the "Christian" values he has -- something that's apparently happening to our world nowadays (rising crime rates, man's total disregard to life & the environment & high regard to worldly things such as power & material wealth, etc). I agree with Lizzy -- the Bible can never be wrong. But we must be careful on how to interpret it lest we become misguided. And the Revelations -- I believe they're slowly coming true now.
good point, the definition of a Cristian, and the true way that one would interpret the bible.
he will misguide,mislead, and deceive in the name of god, but will not be the true word of god.
Organized religion has nothing to do with the 'evil' you speak of which will dominate the world. Greed, immorality, lack of empathy and criminal behavior is rampant in society and is not defined by religious affiliation or lack thereof. The 'evil' is already pervasive in today's society - so that would make the prophesy of revelations correct, wouldn't it? It's what you do in your own personal life which matters most - you don't have to wallow in sin just because others do. Worry about today, and the future will take care of itself. Prophesies are not necessarily truths - they are predictions which often come true. Keep the faith and live your best life.
I am Agnostic, so you are free to dismiss what I am about to say.
I have been told that the Bible is the word of God and outlines His plan for us. The events outlined in the Book of Revelations would, of course, be part of that plan.
If you are successful in your attempt to prove wrong the Word of God, you realize that would mean you have proven God a liar, don't you? That is the last thing a Christian should be doing. It is a sin to presume to know the mind of God or to presume a right to alter His plans for us.
The endgame outlined by God in the Book of Revelations MUST play out exactly as it is written because that is the way God wants it. You don't need to actually force a change in God's plan (and, by the way, you can't. He's God.) in order to be guilty of a grave sin. Merely contemplating doing so, as you have done here, is sin enough in His eyes.
You should never try to force God to bow to your will. Leave God's plans to God and allow them to play out as He sees fit.
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Are you sure, you read that from Revelation Book, as you said all that crap. Did you really read and understand the revelation book from the Bible? Can you cite me 1 scripture from that book that clearly states that evil will dominate the Christians. Maybe you are referring to other book but NOT THE BIBLE!!<br />
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Are you organizing an anti-christ movement, do you really love God, Do you know the name of your God? Do you really believe in the Bible. <br />
I am sorry if i sound rude, coz as young as you are and one claiming to love God or maybe Christian will oppose one of HIS book. I am sad, I hope your parent will help you to find the truth, the true God and the one he sent forth Jesus Christ.<br />
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One thing for sure Revelation is a "hope" book for those true Christians. This book shows the end of this present system of things and the paradise that was mentioned in Isaias, the new heavens and the new earth where righteous people will reside for ever and ever..It will open the new world with Jesus Christ ruling the Kingdom of God for 1000 years.<br />
<br />
The last book of the Holy Bible discloses an EIGHTH WORLD POWER. Intriguingly, Revelation 17:9-11 informs us of what the apostle John was told in his vision of a wild beast, scarlet in color, having seven heads and ten horns, and being ridden by the religious harlot, “Babylon the Great.” goes off into DESTRUCTION.
"The fall of Babylon the Great will signal the start or great tribulation and then the end will come "THE ARMAGEDDON" and new world like in noah's day. Are you not happy that Jehovah God is so great that HE is giving a new world to us .
Source www.watchtower.org.com
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Isaiah 2:2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
This will prove number of people who will worship the true God will increase.