In the mid-1960's, I first saw an old movie on TV, the title of which I can't remember, in which LJ Cobb played the role of a washed-up doctor, begging for money from a stranger, in India, I believe. When the stranger called him a bum, Cobb yelled and cried as he replied by saying, "BUM? Johns Hopkins Medical School, Chief of Surgery, etc., etc.", as he recalled his lamented career and life. The stranger was shocked to hear it coming from someone who was so dirty, unshaven, homeless, poor and so far from home.
It was a very minor sequence of an old movie that pre-dated the time and even television. I have seen that same minor sequence of that same old movie quite a few times over the years, but never the whole film, which is why I can't remember the title of it. My now ex-wife was THE movie authority told me that it could have been a different actor who you mistakenly think was Lee J. Cobb. Actors sometimes vaguely resemble one another, so the movie audience think the actor is someone else when the credit isn't theirs at all. Hollywood knows how actors could be credited for films that aren't their own, so it's been known and understood for years. I believe it was LJ Cobb because the sound of his voice, his looks and his cry is unmistakable. I compared him to known roles of Cobb, such as Kramden in the old Flint Movies, who is so well-remembered for yelling, "Flint's alive!, Did ya hear that?, FLINT'S ALIVE!, FLINT'S ALIVE!!!" and they matched perfectly well, so I'm still sure it was LJ Cobb after all.
From 1999 to about 2001, we went through all the databanks, such as imdb.com, then to movie historians and drove them all to drinking, early retirement and suicide, but no luck. We went all the way up to trying to contact his relatives, former co-stars and/or agents, but didn't because divorce was first on our agenda. I want to know how his role went in that old movie and, especially, how it ended. This is my advice: Don't go through all the easily-thought of sources because we tried them all for more than just two years, including historians and Hollywood librarians, so go right up to the top, which is to contact his relatives, etc. That's because only people who were closest to him are likely to know the answer.
It's a tough trivia question to answer because it might have been a cameo appearance of his, in which case it wouldn't rate high enough to be included with all of his accomplishments, such as a movie star and TV show of the 1960's, now I'm begging for help from a stranger.
I know his bio very well and even met him once when I was a high school kid in 1976 in NYC. As I said, it must have been a cameo appearance of his in that movie, so the only ones who can and will know are his family or former co-stars. My now ex-wife and I went through all of these questions & answers many times over, so the only way to solve it is to ask his family and/or former co-stars because they are the only ones who will know and the only ones left to ask.
lisalisa1, it could have been Channel 7 because that was my favorite channel for casual TV watching.
I saw that same minor sequence of that same old movie quite a few times, but never the whole film, which is why I'm so sure of myself. I also met Lee J. Cobb once in NYC when I was a high school student in 1975, so I am very sure it was him after all.
If I saw that sequence again, with the stranger approaching him on our left and Lee J. Cobb towards the right with the typical-looking temples and background of India, I believe, I would know it in a tenth of a second.
Remember, don't get bogged down with these commonly-thought of questions because all the experts have asked us at one point or another and all led us to a dead end. Try and go right up to asking his family and/or former co-stars because I think they are the only ones who can answer it.
Recently, I noticed he had a daughter, Maria, born 1947. Try contacting the people who can put you in contact with other family or former co-stars.
Channel 7 was the most likely one because it was a favorite of mine for "casual viewing." Secondly, I first saw it in the mid-1960's, then that same minor sequence or scene of the movie whose title I have long-since forgot.
I'm sure it was Lee J. Cobb and the sequence, I remember, had little to do with the theme of the movie, which is partly why it stood out so much in my mind over the years. It was as much a shock to me as it was to the stranger who first called Lee J. Cobb "a bum," then heard Cobb cry as he recalled his lamented career and life, saying, "BUM??? Johns Hopkins Medical School, Chief of Surgery, etc., etc."
It was an old movie that pre-dated the 1960's and it might have pre-dated TV, etc., etc. I compared the actor to known roles of Cobb, such as Kramden in the old Flint Movies and they matched perfectly well. Also, I met Lee J. Cobb once in 1975 when he was filming a movie or show in NYC, so it is not likely I'm far off about him. If it was an actor who resembles Cobb, then look for a list of actors who are known to be mistaken for LJ Cobb and search for their roles in movies made before the mid-1960's.
My now ex-wife and I went through all of this and more for over two years with movie historians and librarians when we heard that a few took up drinking, early retirement and, some, committed suicide, but I have no idea what to say, except now I'm begging for help from a stranger.
Don't get bogged down with the commonly-thought of questions and answers, go right to the top, which is where we left off, which is to contact his family and/or former co-stars because they are the only ones who will know.
-RK
Reply to Bugsybab (Jennifer Lewis) in Vancouver, Canada: So, you know right off the bat I'm wrong and no question about it? Did you people do the research, including cameo appearances? A cameo appearance is a brief, five minutes or less, part in a movie for the sake of billing and pulling more people in to see it. Unethical? Maybe, but the face remains you could easily miss it because cameo appearances are so minute when talking about such a prolific actor as Lee J. Cobb, which is why it probably wouldn't be included in his history.
-RK
Reply to Lisalisa1 and JVDreamWorker:
Time period was mid-1960's, channel 7 was probably it, I've seen that same minor sequence or scene in that same old movie quite a few times over the years, so I'm still sure it was Lee J. Cobb after all, look for movies made BEFORE the mid-1960's because it was already an old movie that pre-dated the time and maybe even Television.
As I said many times, my now ex-wife and I went through ALL these commonly-thought of questions and answers by movie historians and hollywood librarians, but they all quit, took up drinking, accepted early retirement and, some, even suicide, which is why I urge you to go right to the top, which is where we left off, which is to contact his family (daughter and grandchildren by now) and/or former co-stars for the answer because they are the only ones who can & will know.
If it was a cameo appearance of his, and I believe it was because the scene had very little to do with the movie itself, it might not be included in his list of starring roles because he was such a giant in his field, so a cameo appearance would be insignificant and, therefore, not mentioned.
His family and/or co-stars were closest to him and the only ones who can & will know for sure.
-RK
JVDreamWorker, I don't remember the title of the movie, but I do remember that the scene had very little to do with the movie's plot. The background looked like India to me, with the typical-looking buildings behind him and both the stranger & Cobb were American and in a distant land. The stranger was shocked to hear so much come from a homeless man, begging for money from a stranger, when Cobb replied by saying, "BUM? Johns Hopkins Medical School, Chief of Surgery, etc., etc," as he recalled his lamented career and life.
That's the same scene from the same movie whose title I have long since forgotten that I have seen quite a few times over the years, so I'm still sure it was Lee J. Cobb after all. That's why I suggested it was a cameo appearance of his. That's because it wouldn't be rated significant enough to be included in his list of starring roles, hence you would miss it by searching through his bio.
As I said many, many times, 'My ex-wife and I went through all of this until we got to the point of trying to contact his family and/or former co-stars for the answer.' They are the only ones who will know or can find out, so don't get bogged down with the commonly-thought of sources of answers because we went through them all repeatedly.
Go right to the top, which is where we left off and ask to contact his family and/or co-stars for the answer. Do what I say or you're going to wind up begging for help from a stranger, too.
. -RK
To one and all, hear this: You can't be asking me what movie it was nor asking me to watch the movie and then, presumably, come back online and report that you won. YOU have to do the movie watching, find that sequence that no one in this quadrant of the galaxy could miss, then tell me the title and how Cobb's role finally went in that movie.
The Song of Bernadette is one movie you can disqualify right now. I saw it on the "4 O'Clock Movie" many times in the '70's, so I know that wasn't it.
If you think of the movie, watch it, then give me the title, a synopsis of his role and how it ended.
That is the question and that defines the winner!
-You-know-who, MD!
To one and all: You can't just ask nor guess which movie it was in order to win. In order to win, you have to see the movie, give me it's title and then FINALLY tell me how Lee J. Cobb's role went in it. How did his role go from start to finish, including being a homeless man, begging for help from a stranger, in India, I believe, to what by the conclusion of the movie. How did his role go in that movie and how did it end? A brief synopsis of it?
Guessing, asking me which movie it was, over and over, again and again is not going to win! YOU HAVE TO TELL ME, NOT ASK ME, IN ORDER TO WIN!
Pretty soon, I'm going to need a doctor, cause I'm begging for help from all you strangers.
-RK
To One and All, I answered the question of what channel it was, it was probably Channel 7 because that was for casual viewing (just turn on the TV and see whatever's on), so I believe that's it and, as I said many, many times, I first saw it in the mid-1960's and it was already an old movie that was edited or made for TV. It pre-dated the time, which was the mid-1960's, and maybe even Television, so anything after the mid-1960's and you're wasting your time.
Incidentally, Lee J. Cobb died in 1976, so he didn't make any many movies after that time. I met him once in 1975 in NYC when I was a high school kid and I'm repeating myself too many times for my own good!
YOU ALL have to see the movie, tell me you identified the scene, which we must all know by now, then give me the title and tell me how his role went in it or you don't win.
Asking me the same questions repeatedly is driving me up the wall, I'm sorry to say!
The Asker has Canceled the Question Reward due to the following reason:
"The experts are driving me crazy because they're not doing their jobs of simply reading the full text of what I posted and asking me what movie it was."
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Is this a real question? I ask this because you have posted it several times over the past couple of years. But I will try and answer it as best I can.
I believe the movie is Ali Baba Goes to Town (1937)
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The made-for-TV Dr. Max is cut from the same cloth as The Last Angry Man. Lee J. Cobb stars as a taciturn elderly doctor who chooses to work in a dingy Baltimore neighborhood and minister to those far less fortunate than themselves. His refusal to succumb to the creature comforts of a more lucrative practice causes a great deal of friction between himself and his family. In traditional "movie of the week" fashion, however, the old medico proves to have a lot more sense than those around him. Dr. Max was first telecast April 4, 1974.
My theory: You stated that the Lee J Cobb replied to the stranger and called him a bum, Cobb yelled and cried as he replied by saying, "BUM? Johns Hopkins Medical School, Chief of Surgery, etc., etc.", (Johns Hopkins Medical School in located in Baltimore, Maryland)
Note: I asked google "Lee J. Cobb television shows and discovered Dr. Max...My question: Are you sure it was in India? Maybe Hollywood made it seems it was made in India...
http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg...
When Alistair Cooke shows up to introduce Three Faces of Eve, we know that the fact-based story will bear more than a little fidelity to truth. Joanne Woodward won an Academy Award for her portrayal of Eve, a young Georgia housewife suffering from multiple personalities. Eve's husband (David Wayne), confused by his wife's aberrant behavior when assuming her two "other selves," seeks out help from a psychiatrist (Lee J. Cobb). Carefully probing Eve's subconscious via hypnosis, the doctor finds out that, though each of Eve's personalities is aware of the other's existence, none are related. After months of therapy, Eve is purged of her negative selves and is totally cured. Ironically, Joanne Woodward would herself play a psychologist confronted with a multiple-personality case in the Emmy-winning 1976 TV movie Sybil.
1955 Medic: Break Through the Bars [TV] aka Medic: Episode 020
After a bank cashier's mundane existence is disrupted by signs of mental illness, he becomes a potential candidate for electroshock therapy. Guest starring Lee J. Cobb
http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg...
Here are some more..he played as some sort of doctor..All pictures made in USA. If you go this website, it provides you the "keywords", "countries" that are associated with his films....I am still looking
The Dark Past-1948
In this faithful remake of Blind Alley (1939), psychoanalyst Andrew Collins (Lee J. Cobb), his wife, his son, and some friends are taken hostage by escaped murderer Al Walker (William Holden) and his gang, including girlfriend Betty (Nina Foch). Collins, an advocate of rehabilitating criminals through psychiatry, induces his captor to talk about himself through the course of the night. By calmly and methodically piecing together the strands of the killer's unconscious motivation, Collins rids Walker of his literally murderous rage and prevents a massacre. Shrinks who practice in the noir universe are frequently painted as absurdly omnipotent. When not using their power for evil, like Dr. Cross (Vincent Price) in Aubrey Schenck's Shock (1949), they may be capable, like the benign Dr. Collins, of miracle cures. A more complex depiction of an unrealistically powerful, but ambiguously motivated, psychiatrist can be seen in Joseph Losey's The Sleeping Tiger (1954). In that British film, Dr. Clive Esmond (Alexander Knox) cures a criminal in a few short months but destroys his own marriage in the process.
http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll
I have reviewed all Lee J. Cobb's Filmography 1937-1987. I sent you all films that he played some type of "doctor". I didn't noticed any films that were associated in "India"
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This is the best list of movies he played in I could find, it includes the year. Maybe there's something on here you haven't seen yet. If not, I have made 2 attempts to ask you if you know the station that aired the movie and the date(as close as you can get) I'd like to start there.
1979 Arthur Miller on Home Ground [doc] Archival Appearance
1976 The Ultimatum Actor
1976 Origins of the Mafia
aka Alle origini della mafia (Original Foreign title)
aka Roots of the Mafia (Eng. Translation title) Actor [Starring]
1976 La Legge Violenta della Squadra Anticrimine
aka Cross Shot [1980] (U.S. title) Actor
1975 That Lucky Touch
aka Save Us From Our Friends (U.K. title) Actor [Starring]
1975 Blood, Sweat and Fear Actor
1974 Trapped Beneath the Sea [TV] Actor [Starring]
1974 The Last Circus Show
aka The Balloon Vendor
aka Venditore di Palloncini Actor
1974 The Great Ice Rip-Off [TV] Actor
1974 Dr. Max [TV] Actor [Starring]
1973 The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing Actor [Starring]
1973 The Exorcist Actor
1973 Showdown at the End of the World [TV] Actor
1973 Double Indemnity [TV] Actor
1971 Lawman Actor [Starring]
1971 Heat of Anger [TV] Actor
1970 The Liberation of L.B. Jones Actor [Starring]
1970 Macho Callahan Actor [Starring]
1969 MacKenna's Gold Actor [Starring]
1969 Las Vegas 500 Milliones
aka They Came To Rob Las Vegas (U.S. title) Actor [Starring]
1968 Les Hommes De Las Vegas Actor [Starring]
1968 Il Giorno Della Civetta
aka The Day of the Owl (Eng. Translation title)
aka The Mafia [1972] (U.S. title) Actor [Starring]
1968 Coogan's Bluff Actor [Starring]
1967 In Like Flint Actor [Starring]
1966 The Meanest Men in the West [TV] Actor
1966 Death of a Salesman [TV] Actor
1965 Our Man Flint Actor [Starring]
1963 Come Blow Your Horn Actor [Starring]
1962 The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse Actor [Starring]
1962 The Bull of the West [TV]
aka Hot Lead [1971] (U.S. title) Actor [Starring]
1962 How the West Was Won Actor
1960 Exodus Actor [Starring]
1959 The Trap
aka Baited Trap Actor [Starring]
1959 Green Mansions Actor [Starring]
1959 But Not for Me Actor [Starring]
1958 The Brothers Karamazov
aka Der Morder Dimitri Karamasoff Actor [Starring]
1958 Party Girl Actor [Starring]
1958 Man of the West Actor [Starring]
1957 The Three Faces of Eve Actor [Starring]
1957 The Garment Jungle Actor [Starring]
1957 12 Angry Men
aka Twelve Angry Men Actor [Starring]
1956 The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit Actor [Starring]
1956 Miami Expose Actor [Starring]
1955 The Road to Denver Actor [Starring]
1955 The Racers
aka Such Men are Dangerous Actor [Starring]
1955 The Left Hand of God Actor [Starring]
1955 Medic: Break Through the Bars [TV]
aka Medic: Episode 020 Actor
1955 Darkness At Noon [TV] Actor [Starring]
1954 Yankee Pasha Actor [Starring]
1954 On the Waterfront Actor [Starring]
1954 Gorilla at Large Actor [Starring]
1954 Day of Triumph Actor [Starring]
1953 The Tall Texan Actor [Starring]
1952 The Fighter
aka First Time Actor [Starring]
1951 The Family Secret Actor [Starring]
1951 Sirocco Actor [Starring]
1950 The Man Who Cheated Himself Actor [Starring]
1949 Thieves' Highway Actor [Starring]
1948 The Miracle of the Bells Actor [Starring]
1948 The Luck of the Irish Actor [Starring]
1948 The Dark Past Actor [Starring]
1948 Call Northside 777
aka Calling Northside 777 Actor [Starring]
1947 Johnny O'Clock Actor [Starring]
1947 Captain from Castile Actor [Starring]
1947 Boomerang! Actor [Starring]
1946 Anna and the King of Siam Actor [Starring]
1944 Winged Victory Actor
1943 Tonight We Raid Calais Actor [Starring]
1943 The Song of Bernadette Actor [Starring]
1943 The Moon Is Down Actor [Starring]
1943 Buckskin Frontier Actor [Starring]
1941 Paris Calling Actor [Starring]
1941 Men of Boys Town Actor [Starring]
1940 This Thing Called Love Actor [Starring]
1939 Golden Boy Actor [Starring]
1938 Danger on the Air Actor
1937 Rustler's Valley
aka Rustlers' Valley Actor
1937 North of the Rio Grande
Since it's really important to you, and your willing to pay, you may want to go the route of a private investigator. I will continue to try and locate various TV stations phone numbers.
Is it one of these?...
Come Blow Your Horn - (1963) - Actor
How the West Was Won - (1962) - Actor
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse - (1961) - Actor
Exodus - (1960) - Actor
But Not for Me - (1959) - Actor
Green Mansions - (1959) - Actor
The Brothers Karamazov - (1958) - Actor
Man of the West - (1958) - Actor
Party Girl - (1958) - Actor
12 Angry Men - (1957) - Actor
Three Faces of Eve - (1957) - Actor
Man in the Gray Flannel Suit - (1956) - Actor
The Left Hand of God - (1955) - Actor
The Racers - (1955) - Actor
On the Waterfront - (1954) - Actor
Tales Of Tomorrow - Collection 1 - (1953) - Actor
The Tall Texan - (1953) - Actor
The Dark Past - (1949) - Actor
Thieves' Highway - (1949) - Actor
The Miracle of the Bells - (1948) - Actor
Call Northside 777 - (1948) - Actor
Boomerang! - (1947) - Actor
Captain from Castille - (1947) - Actor
Anna and the King of Siam - (1946) - Actor
The Song of Bernadette - (1943) - Actor
Buckskin Frontier - (1943) - Actor
Men of Boys Town - (1941) - Actor
Golden Boy - (1939) - Actor
Danger on the Air - (1938) - Actor
North of the Rio Grande - (1937) - Actor
Rustler's Valley - (1937) - Actor
Hopalong Cassidy: Rustlers' Valley/Texas Trail - Double Feature - (1937) - Actor
DrRichardKern,
I don't know how you think anyone can contact his friends and family. Those people are impossible to get ahold of.
But, I have an email in to Turner Classic Movies. I don't know how long it will take them to get back with me. I could not contact channel 7, they keep their phone private and only take feedback and comments on their site, no emails or questions.
lisalisa1
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The closest thing I could come up with is the movie / t.v. show.....
Dr. Kildare is an NBC medical drama television series which ran from September 27 1961 until April 5 1966, encompassing a total of 190 episodes. The show, which premiered at the same time as an ABC medical drama, Ben Casey, quickly achieved success and helped spark a number of new shows dealing with the medical field.
Source Dr. Kildare - wikipedia
I have found some more info that might help......
Here are the movies and the roles that he played......
Studio One ------------ Dr. Joseph Pearson
Song Of Bernadette ------------- Dr. Dozous
Heat Of Anger --------------- Frank Gavin
Lawman ----------- Vincent Bronson
Good Luck!
Take Care!
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THOS PROBLEY ISN'T THE ANSWER YOUR LOOKING FOR BUT THERES NOT A SINGLE MOVIE OR TELEVISION SHOW THAT HE DID WHERE HE WAS A WASHED UP DOCTOR PROBLEY NOT WHAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR BUT IM SORRY I ASKED MANY PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY THAT WATCHED HIS SHOWS AND NOT ONE OF THEM REAMEMBERS AS A ROLE LIKE THAT WELL IF YOU DO FIND YOUR ANSWER LET ME KNOW CAUSE I AM INTERESTED TO SEE IF MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE WRONG SO I CAN TELL THEM WELL I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY AND I AM SORRY I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE OF A HELP GOOD LUCK AND GOOD BYE
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Don't be discouraged, it's there, but may not be Cobb.
I remember seeing it in the 80s or 90's. I think it is in a short seg in the rolling Hollywood history specials they run with a few memorable seconds and lines from certain movies or regarding certain actors in a fast millieu over several minutes. Check there for a lead..(75th anniversary celebration reel?)
Either way, it peaked my interest and I caught it one lazy B movie day. I'm rememembering a sophisticated plot/scheme in major metro area gone awry and the doctor sacrificed everything in lieu of promised fortune, and/or love but ended up at rendezvous the abandoned one unable to go back and others betrayed dead or caught and the woman involved died and lost the prize or something. I watched it on a channel at that time when they were playing Panic in the City and another movie that week where a detective uncovered a Russian atomic bomb in the city after tracking a murderer where victims were burned or died transporting radioactive material. In the end he was lifted by helicopter and, already dying of radiation exposure, secured the bomb that was carried out off the pacific coast(LA or S.F.) and exploded with him.
The movie you seek was in that genre and grouping of oldies programming.
If I remember more I'll write.You may be able to check it on stations that broadcast these types before all the specialty cable channels and Turner Classic started(or at least I didn't have them. More likely the UHF channels of broadcast. These oldies are usually grouped and sold to stations in packets
and checking through studio archive leases/rentals to local stations may help
if you check packets they group.
Sorry, didn't intend for you to infer for you to find it and give away credit. My findings were for your freebie.
If I happen to come across it, then I'd deserve the reward. Otherwise, priors were just courteous pointings to a wayward dreamer trying to wake your own memory.
>Still looking when have occasion.
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The Movie Was Called Exodus
But i've told you the movie and seen no reward?
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LC Cobb played Dr. Dozous in the movie "The Song of Bernadette" in 1943.
These are all of the films LC Cobb has performed in.
The Vanishing Shadow (1934)
North of the Rio Grande (1937)
Rustlers' Valley (1937)
Ali Baba Goes to Town (1937)
Danger on the Air (1938)
The Phantom Creeps (1939)
Golden Boy (1939)
This Thing Called Love (1940)
Men of Boys Town (1941)
Paris Calling (1941)
Down Rio Grande Way (1942)
The Moon Is Down (1943)
Tonight We Raid Calais (1943)
Buckskin Frontier (1943)
The Song of Bernadette (1943)
Winged Victory (1944)
Anna and the King of Siam (1946)
Johnny O'Clock (1947)
Boomerang! (1947)
Captain from Castile (1947)
Call Northside 777 (1948)
The Miracle of the Bells (1948)
The Luck of the Irish (1948)
The Dark Past (1948)
Thieves' Highway (1949)
The Man Who Cheated Himself (1950)
Sirocco (1951)
The Family Secret (1951)
The Fighter (1952)
The Tall Texan (1953)
Yankee Pasha (1954)
Gorilla at Large (1954)
On the Waterfront (1954)
Day of Triumph (1954)
The Racers (1955)
The Road to Denver (1955)
The Left Hand of God (1955)
The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit (1956)
Miami Expose (1956)
12 Angry Men (1957)
The Garment Jungle (1957)
The Three Faces of Eve (1957)
The Brothers Karamazov (1958)
Man of the West (1958)
Party Girl (1958)
The Trap (1959)
Green Mansions (1959)
But Not for Me (1959)
Exodus (1960)
The Final Hour (1962)
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (1962)
The Brazen Bell (1962)
How the West Was Won (1962)
Come Blow Your Horn (1963)
Our Man Flint (1966)
In Like Flint (1967)
The Day of the Owl (1968)
Coogan's Bluff (1968)
They Came to Rob Las Vegas (1968)
Mackenna's Gold (1969)
The Liberation of L.B. Jones (1970)
Macho Callahan (1970)
Lawman (1971)
The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing (1973)
Ultimatum (1973)
Ransom! Police Is Watching (1973)
The Exorcist (1973)
The Balloon Vendor (1974)
Mark of the Cop (1975)
That Lucky Touch (1975)
Cross Shot (1976)
Nick the Sting (1976)
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the movie you are looking for is DR.MAX and it was a made for tv movie and it was 1st televised April 4, 1974.
hope this helps
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